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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #325 on: August 30, 2017, 10:20:44 »
Mislim da je za klimatske promene krivo elektromagnetno zagadjenje planete (u ovim istrazivanjima merene su jonosferske pertrubacije iznad dalekovoda u Australiji i SAD, kasnije cu ostaviti i linkove za uticaj mobilne telefonije na ozonski omotac):

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2007/02495/EGU2007-J-02495.pdf?PHPSESSID=e

This paper is related to the first in-situ observations of strong ionospheric perturbations
close to the VLF transmitter NWC in Australia. NWC is one of the most powerful
VLF transmitters in the world and it is located at a low L-shell value (L=1.49).
Waves and plasma parameters are recorded by the low orbiting satellite DEMETER.
Electrostatic waves from HF to ELF ranges are generated and strong turbulence appears.
Fluctuations of electron and ion densities are observed as well as increase of
temperature. The perturbations are well located to the geographic North of the transmitter
and cover a surface of ∼ 500,000 km2

. This area is centred at the altitude of the satellite (700 km) around the magnetic field line which has a foot at the location of the transmitter. This phenomenon is due to the electron and ion heating of the ionosphere
induced by the powerful transmitter VLF wave. A much smaller effect is also
observed in the Northern hemisphere at the conjugated location. This ionospheric perturbation
observed for the first time is in addition to the already known precipitation
of the energetic particles which interact with the VLF wave of the transmitter through
a cyclotron resonance mechanism. The particle precipitati on zone is located south of
the transmitter at a slightly larger L value (1.9)

Jos na ovu temu:
ftp://ftp.ingv.it/pro/terrasol/ADS_CV_Recent_Publications/ADS_pub_2012_2015/Geospace_perturbations_P&CE_2015.pdf

4.1.
Perturbations from Power Lines PLHR’s (Power Line Harmonic Radiation) are the ELF and VLF waves emitted by the power linesat the harmonics of 50 Hz (or 60 Hz in USA). But these lines are not alone to radiate harmonics.Direct observations of PLHR by satellites are rather rare (Parrot, 1995) and shown in few papers(indirect effects are more often reported). Non linear interactions between electrons and PLHR canparticipate in the precipitation of electrons from the slot region in the radiation belts, on the otherhand, main part of the PLHR energy dissipates in the lower ionosphere and modifies theionospheric currents. This problem now requires serious attention because the electrical powerconsumption is always increasing in the world.A systematic research on PLHR’s has been performed using all burst DEMETER data. From VLFspectrograms, it is easy to find at the satellite altitude, the spectral lines separated by 50 Hz in 17Europe and by 60 Hz in USA (Němec et al., 2007 and references therein). Examples of PLHR’shave been published by Parrot and Němec (2009) and the Fig. 8 shows one of these events.4.2. Perturbations from VLF TransmittersAt VLF frequencies between 10 and 20 kHz, the ground based transmitters are used for radionavigation and communications. Their ionospheric perturbations include: the triggering of newwaves, ionospheric heating, wave electron interactions, and particle precipitation. At HFfrequencies, the broadcasting stations utilize powerful transmitters which can heat the ionosphereand change the temperature and the density. All these wave dissipations in the ionosphere couldparticipate to the global warming of the Earth because the change in global temperature increasesthe number of natural lightning discharges in the atmosphere. Then the supplementary lightningdischarges produce more magnetospheric whistlers which, in turn, could produce heating andionization in the lower ionosphere.The ground-based VLF transmitters are mainly used for communications by the army. They emit atfixed frequencies and their waves are propagated and bouncing in the Earth-ionosphere waveguide.But the ionosphere is not regular and these waves can also cross the ionosphere and be observed bya satellite. DEMETER has shown that the most powerful transmitter NWC in Australia can perturband heat the ionosphere on a vast scale. The Fig. 9 shows an example of these ionosphericmodifications which are observed at the satellite altitude. The waves, which cross the ionosphereand propagate in the opposite hemisphere, can also perturb the particles of the radiation belts due towave-particle interaction as it has been studied by Sauvaud et al. (2008).Furthermore, there is a potential feedback mechanism because two different processes could beinvolved. First, lightning is a source of NOx, and NOx affects the concentration of ozone in theatmosphere which contributes to the greenhouse effect. Second, precipitation of energetic electrons 18by man-made waves may trigger other lightning discharges. It explains the importance of the studyof such man-made waves (Parrot and Zaslavski, 1996).It must be also noted that anomalous propagation of the navigation VLF transmitters' signals hasbeen detected before the occurrence of earthquakes when the epicenter is located between thetransmitter and the receiver (see for example, Molchanov et al. 2006 and Rozhnoi et al., 2009), aswell as unexpected anomalous pre-seismic transmission resulted in VHF radio waves (Fujiwara etal., 2004; Moriya et al. 2010).

Kratko pojasnjenje:

Website Joris Everaert http://www.livingplanet.be/globalchange.htm

The DEMETER satellite project (partly) from the Laboratoire de Physique et Chimie de l'Environnement (LPCE) at the french National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) has the objective to investigate the ionospheric perturbations due to the seismic activity, and the global study of the Earth electromagnetic environment. Dr. Michel Parrot, the principal investigator of the DEMETER project, and others, have studied and published about the ionospheric effects of anthropogenic low frequency electromagnetic radiation from power lines and transmitters, and high frequency broadcasting stations (to some MHz frequencies). All the observations indicate that Power Line Harmonic Radiation (PLHR) influences the atmosphere-ionosphere-magnetosphere coupling. On one hand, non linear interactions between electrons and PLHR can participate in the precipitation of electrons from the slot region in the radiation belts, on the other hand, main part of the PLHR energy dissipates in the lower ionosphere and modifies the ionospheric currents. This problem now requires serious attention because the electrical power consumption is always increasing in the world. It was also found that the very low frequency fields from ground-based transmitters (used for radio-navigation and communications) can also have an influence. Their ionospheric perturbations include: the triggering of new waves, ionospheric heating, wave-electron interactions, and particle precipitation. At high frequencies (to some MHz but not in the GHz range), broadcasting stations utilise powerful transmitters which can also heat the ionosphere and change the temperature and the density. According to Dr. Parrot, all these wave dissipations in the ionosphere could participate to the global warming of the Earth because the change in global temperature increases the number of natural lightning discharges in the atmosphere. Then the supplementary lightning discharges produce more magnetospheric whistlers which could produce heating and ionization in the lower ionosphere. Furthermore, it is a feedback mechanism because two different processes could be involved. First, lightning is a source of NOx, and NOx affects the concentration of ozone in the atmosphere which contributes to the greenhouse effect. Second, precipitation of energetic electrons by man-made waves may trigger other lightning discharges. It explains the importance of the study of such man-made waves (see the links below for more information).
The higher frequency radiation (900 MHz and more) from cell phone use and cell phone transmission base stations, cannot directly interact with the ionosphere. But maybe this radiation could also result in higher global temperatures due to other effects/interactions in the atmosphere ? There was a news item claiming that a group of fifty scientists in Columbia have revealed that the explosive application of mobile phones (and other man-made electromagnetic sources) can contribute to global warming, but I haven't seen confirmation of that news item.

Treba imati u vidu i da globalno zagrevanje pokazuje upadljivu korelaciju ne samo sa prvim radio predajnicima (1910.) nego i sa generalnim pocetkom koriscenja naizmenicne struje:


[video=youtube_share;cXhZvyGtMrk]https://youtu.be/cXhZvyGtMrk?t=5m53s[/video]
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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #326 on: December 05, 2017, 02:38:00 »
Što veći ledeni pokrivač i na moru i na kopnu to više šansi za stvaranje anticiklona(Azijski dio Rusije).Evropa ima tu sreću ili nesreću da glavna jezgra hladnoće nisu usmjerena ka njoj zbog okeana koji je na zapadu,slično je i sa zapadnom obalom SAD-a i Kanade,dok istočna obala i S.Amerike i Azije ima oštru zimu čak i za oko 10 stepeni g.š. nižu nego u Evropi,Japan je često pod sniježnim olujama,u SAD-ma do Floride zna da bude pokrivača,a kod nas imamo 3-4 jača zahlađenja u toku zime,od kojih svako ili većina na jugu prođe kao suvi zalad.Ali opet ta povoljna klima nije u korelaciji sa razvojem u bilo kom smislu,jer su Kanada,SAD,Rusija,Japan i Skandinavske države najrazvijenije države svijeta.

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #327 on: January 05, 2018, 20:10:04 »
Evo sad je bila prica na Rtcg o mini ledenom dobu koji dolazi od 2021 tj smanjenje suncevih pjega.

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #328 on: January 21, 2018, 12:09:37 »

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #329 on: January 21, 2018, 15:30:02 »
Djeluje mi zanimljivo ovaj prvi tekst,e sad ne znam da li ta kora oko zemlje moze vratitu klimu u normalu :32:

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #330 on: January 21, 2018, 16:12:53 »
Radio zračenja bi mogla da utiču na jonosferu a pitanje je koju ulogu ima u vremenskim promjenama.Teorija je zanimljiva u svakom slučaju ali bilo koje zagrijavanje dovodi do što većih ekstrema.To je i bio moj neki alibi zašto sam prihvatio 'globalno zagrijavanje' ali i dalje sam vrlo skeptičan po pitanju dužine trajanja tj. da će biti sve toplije.Što veća T na planeti to jače oluje i više padavina,jači toplotni i hladni talasi.Globalno zagrijavanje se najčešće predstavlja kako će se pustinja širiti a ljudi će umirati od vrućine i poplava od istopljenog leda.Nema to veze sa realnošću.

Mi trenutno živimo u holocenu(međuledenom dobu) koje je počelo prije oko 10/11 hiljada godina.Ono traje relativno kratko u odnosu na glacijalni period i već bi u narednih 1000 godina trebali da zađemo u novo glacijalno doba.To je Milanković vrlo dobro objasnio.

Ugljen(II)oksid je vrlo važan za ishranu biljaka.U periodima tolije klime i vulkanskih aktivnosti u dalekoj prošlosti planete došlo je ogromhog razvoja biljnih vrsta.Njega danas u atmosferi ima samo 0.04%.Najmanji problem kod zagađivača kao što su fabrike i motorna vozila predstavlja CO2.Tu su druga tokična jedinjenja.Danas sve više fabrika posjeduje zaštitne filtere,automobili imaju zaštitu u katalizatorima,gorivo je oslobođeno od olova a u bliskoj budućnosti ekspanziju će doživjeti električni automobili i automobili na hidrogen.Tako da ta priča oko CO2 će vrlo brzo izgubiti na popularnosti.


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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #331 on: January 27, 2018, 12:52:57 »
Sta mislite o ovome? Prikazana je korelacija geomagnetnog polja na Arktiku sa temperaturom, kao i nepostojanje korelacije sa CO2:


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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #332 on: January 31, 2018, 03:25:38 »
Meni su zanimljiva elektromagnetna zračenja.

Dovodim u vezu vještačka elekrotmagnetna zračenja i radijaciju sa klimatskim promjenama.

Danas oko planete kruži preko 5.000 satelita.Teoretski Zemlja postaje velika mikrotalasna peć.Vidim da se tim niko nije bavio ali ima nešto malo interesovanja.
Postoji tzv. dielektrično grijanje koje je već primijenjeno u medicini i tehnologiji gdje se pomoću talasa razne frekfencije može zagrijavati određeno tijelo.Uočeno je kod nekih istaživanja da radio talasi mogu da zagrijavaju metal na određenim udaljenostima.
Iskoračili smo vrlo brzo sa takvim tehnologijama a još uvijek smo nesvjesni koje su sve mogućnosti i na šta to sve utiče,kao kad se proizvede određen lijek na neku bolest a ne zna se šta još liječi i koje ima sporedne efekte.

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #333 on: March 10, 2018, 22:32:22 »
Zime jos na udaru nijesu kao sto su ljeta.Svjedoci smo vrelih ljeta koja su iz godine u godinu sve vrelija,gotovo da nema dana ljeti a da Pg  ne zabiljezi tropsku noc.Niksic je 93,u jul imao cak 9 dana sa jednocifrenom minimalnom tepmaraturom,taj film se tada gledao,a sudeci po ovoj blizoj istoriji taj film gledat necemo uskoro.Ali 90-te su donosile toplije zime cak i od ovih sadasnjih.Zanimljivo je to da je 90-te u februaru Niksic imao prosjek maksimalne temparature od cak 13C :13:,sto je zaista mnogo.Cak je i januar te godine imao prosjek maksimalne od 9c :02:,ali su minimalci bili zestoki,tako da je prosjek minimalne bio oko -4.2C.I na sjeveru zime 90-tih su bile toplije,ali su u nekoliko navrata padali veliki snijegovi u martu koji koliko toliko vracale duh zime.Ljeta su najkisovitija bila 70-tih,sad su susnija dosta,ali ljeta 20-tih i 30-tih su bila susnija jos vise od ovih.Dokle ce trajat ove tople godine,ostajemo samo da svjedocimo,al mislim da smo i u istoriji imali toplijih godina i od ovih sadasnjih.

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« Reply #334 on: April 20, 2018, 17:18:52 »
Prosjecna maksimalna temparatura u januaru za Bolonju u periodu 1990-2010 iznosila je 6.73C,a za period 1820-1840 prosjecna maksimalna temparatura je iznosila svega 3.47C!!!U ovom periodu najhladnija zima je bila 1830 godine,tada je Bolonja imala prosjecnu maksimalnu temparaturu od -1.1C!Prosjek minimalne je bio ravno -5C.I 1836 je bila vrlo hladna maksimalna je iznosila svega 0.9C.E sad mogu zamisliti Niksic tih godina,sigurno su metarski snjegovi padali svake 3/4.Mnogo se promjenila klima!

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« Reply #335 on: April 20, 2018, 17:38:57 »
Sad idemo sa februarom,takodje Bolonja,prosjecna maksimalna temparatura za period 1990-2010 u februaru je iznosila ravo 10.0c!A u periodu 1820-1840 je iznosila 6.7C,i ni jedan februar u ovom periodu od 20 godina nije imao dvocifren prosjek,dok je u periodu 1990-2010 takvijeh bilo oko 10!!!

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #336 on: April 20, 2018, 22:10:36 »
za to vrijeme se prica medju klimatolozima da je bilo "malo ledeno doba".da li je to zbog erupcije nekog vulkana ili slicnih nekih stvarine znam. moje znanje oko toga je veoma sturo ali za taj period se prica da je imao niske temperature.

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Re: Klimatske promjene
« Reply #337 on: April 20, 2018, 22:54:40 »
za to vrijeme se prica medju klimatolozima da je bilo "malo ledeno doba".da li je to zbog erupcije nekog vulkana ili slicnih nekih stvarine znam. moje znanje oko toga je veoma sturo ali za taj period se prica da je imao niske temperature.
Jok,nije to ovaj period.Maunderov minimum se desio u periodu od 1645-1715 godine.To je nastalo zbog smanjena suncevih pjega,tada su astronomi prebrojali svega 50 suncanih pjega u cijelom periodu.Evo nekog grafa koji sve minimume i maksimume dobro prikazuje.Kao sto mozemo da vidimo ovako toplo vrijeme je i bilo ranije,tamo negdje oko 1200 godine.To jest sad smo u maksimumu,a strucnjaci upozoravaju da ce broj pjega drasticno opasti u periodu izmedju 2020-2030 sto bi izazvalo pad temparature.